Room 237 (2013) – Blu-ray Disc (UPDATED)

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directed by Rodney Ascher

"A story of the supernatural cannot be taken apart and analyzed too closely. The ultimate test of its rationale is whether it is good enough to raise the hairs on the back of your neck. If you submit it to a completely logical and detailed analysis it will eventually appear absurd."
–Stanley Kubrick, interviewed by Michel Ciment, Kubrick: The Definitive Edition, Part 4

by Bryant Frazer Did director Stanley Kubrick encode The Shining with an admission that he helped create phony footage of the Apollo moon-landing in 1969? Well, of course not. That’s nuts. It’s a cockamamie argument. And it’s one of several cockamamie arguments advanced by viewers given a platform for their unconventional theories in Room 237, an odd duck of a documentary about the conclusions reached by five different Kubrick fans upon very close analysis of The Shining.

RUNNING TIME
103 minutes
MPAA
Unrated
ASPECT RATIO(S)
1.77:1 (1080p/MPEG-4)
LANGUAGES
English 5.1 DTS-HD MA
English 2.0 LPCM (Stereo)
SUBTITLES
English SDH
Spanish
REGION
A
DISC TYPE
BD-50
STUDIO
IFC

Dismiss this business about the fake moonwalk and Room 237 has more questions to be answered. Is The Shining really about the genocide of the Native American people? Has the geography of the Overlook Hotel been distorted to create impossible spaces and views? Did Kubrick sneak visual clues to subtext (a minotaur, a boner, a Hitler moustache) into his shots? Does the German-made typewriter favoured by Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson) signal that the film is about the Holocaust? And why is Jack hanging out in the lobby reading an issue of PLAYGIRL, anyway?

OK, that last one is a legitimate question. Torrance is definitely reading PLAYGIRL in one scene, and–assuming you read that as a message demanding interpretive consideration rather than, say, as an unscripted joke–it brings into play questions about Torrance's sexuality that could be apropos of something, conceivably. Maybe. Much of the evidence floated for the Holocaust interpretation is unconvincing, ranging from dubious symbolism (eagles=Nazis) to dubious juxtapositions (a pile of suitcases is briefly superimposed over a group of tourists as part of a dissolve) to dubious numerology (2x3x7=42, as in 1942, as in the Wannsee Conference). Never mind the fact that the film isn't set anywhere near Germany (or Europe), nor does it have any story elements that call out to the atrocities of World War II. But the Native American genocide theory is at least superficially attractive. Owing to the movie's Colorado setting, the Overlook hotel is replete with Native American iconography, and it's said to be built on an "Indian burial ground." The rivers of blood gushing from the elevator bays and through the halls of the hotel itself would be a majestic and disturbing memorial.

Yet surely only a special kind of conspiracy theorist still believes the moon-landing footage was faked, and within that small group it's only the cinephiles who insist that Stanley Kubrick must have been involved in engineering it. Still, if we can say, reasonably, given what we know about the director's interests, that an interpretation of The Shining invoking the extermination of indigenous American peoples is not completely without merit, while an interpretation that invokes the Apollo 11 mission is preposterous on its face, it makes one wonder: Where do we draw the line? Where does interpretation give way to obsession, and criticism devolve into masturbatory twaddle?

Room 237 director Rodney Ascher studiously avoids those questions. Rather, he's designed his film as a platform. Five theorists make their arguments about what The Shining actually means, and we never see these people–a decision some reviewers have noted as a stroke of genius on Ascher's part, but one that I suspect is more rooted in financial reality: Instead of flying out to meet his subjects, Ascher spoke to them long-distance and had them make a local recording of their sides of the conversations. (Thus, Ascher's voice is never heard.) The movie's visuals consist largely of excerpts from The Shining itself, most of them time-stretched into a weird, sluggish flip-book motion in post, supplemented by shots from other Kubrick films and a few inserts from unrelated movie titles (All the President's Men, Lamberto Bava's stuck-in-the-movie-theatre horror opus Demons, the faked-Mars-landing thriller Capricorn One, and even An American Werewolf in London make appearances). Too, there are occasional maps and diagrams that are meant to follow little Danny's Big Wheel trajectory through the hotel in those famous Steadicam shots, illustrating the geography of the set. Mostly it's an essay film along the lines of Thom Andersen's great Los Angeles Plays Itself, with the crucial difference that the speaking voice belongs not to the filmmaker himself, but to an assembled chorus of essayists offering different but weirdly complementary readings of the footage on screen.

Because we're given no background information on the contributors, we have no extratextual information by which to judge their credibility. We're left to sort out the arguments on their own merits, or (and especially) lack thereof. That's where the film starts to get a little mind-bending, particularly as Ascher cuts fluidly among the weird theories and the different points of view start to blur, the disembodied monologues taking on the slightly disturbing quality of voices in your head. The title starts to take on a metaphorical significance. Like the TARDIS, or the massively labyrinthine dwelling in the appropriately post-modern novel House of Leaves, Room 237 is much bigger on the inside than it is on the outside. It's the place where you sit with this film–any film, really–and evaluate its images and sound, story and characters, symbols and metaphors and secret histories, through the filter of your own experience and expectations. A movie may have as many different meanings as there are viewers to interpret it, and one of the joys of reading criticism is discovering the unexpected insights you never would have devised on your own.

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I want to say that Barthes would have loved Room 237, since it presents an array of conflicting and contradictory interpretations that seem cleanly divorced from what Kubrick intended, never mind what the story's original Author-God, Stephen King, had in mind. But even though the Room 237 theorists barely engage with the realities of moviemaking, they all seem to feel that the mere presence of Kubrick behind the camera is their trump card. Kubrick was a genius. Kubrick was a perfectionist. Nothing caught within the view of a camera rolling on the set of one of Kubrick's productions could be out of place, nothing within the frame less than premeditated. Kubrick moved in ways mere mortals cannot begin to comprehend. Therefore, they seem to argue, it follows that deeply crazypants interpretations of the placement of cans of Tang and Calumet Baking Powder, the number of cars parked in front of the hotel in an exterior shot, or shot-to-shot inconsistencies–all of which would be regarded as continuity errors and coincidences in the works of lesser artists–are, in the case of a Kubrick film, fundamentally sound expressions of hidden meaning. Room 237's theorists haven't killed the author; they worship him outright, singing hosannas to his glory. One of them even imagines Kubrick had his face "airbrushed" into the sky during The Shining's opening credits as an enduring monument, I guess, to his own greatness. Barthes would be annoyed. As am I.

Does that make Room 237 easy to dismiss? Hell no. This movie is creepy–nearly as creepy as The Shining itself. Arguably more so. If you asked me what The Shining was really about, I'd tell you it is, as King billed his novel, a realistic look at writer's block, as well as a distorted and hallucinatory depiction of mental illness. What's Room 237 about? It's about losing yourself in art–and not necessarily in a good way. I wouldn't suggest that anyone involved with the film is mentally ill (least of all Ascher himself, who assumes a detached and slightly bemused authorial stance, inasmuch as one can be gleaned from his editorial choices), but some of them seem a little bit obsessed with The Shining, maybe to the point where they've lost the ability to think rationally about it. And Room 237 has garnered a lot of positive response (why, it's 93% fresh!), because it spotlights enthusiastic and boundlessly imaginative readings of a film that was once dismissed as a Kubrick turkey.

More than that, I think Room 237 resonates because all of us–especially those of who came of age as cinephiles after the arrival of VCRs and endless reruns on cable TV–have at one time or another been inside Room 237, a place where we're so taken by a film that we return again and again and eventually lose track of ourselves as we work to interpret it, synthesizing an entirely new meaning from its components. That doesn't make it good criticism, mind you, it just makes it something avid movie buffs, above all, can relate to on an intimate level. There but for the grace of God, you know?

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THE BLU-RAY DISC
Blu-ray is the perfect format for Room 237, the high resolution of the 1.78:1, 1080p image offering plenty of opportunity to still and step your way through the picture with a clarity undreamed of when most of these theories were hatched. I assume the imagery from The Shining itself is swiped from Blu-ray copies, given that Room 237 was made without the cooperation of Warner Bros., and the scenes from The Shining look pretty much identical to the imagery on the official release, just a mite softer and with the brightness kicked up a couple of notches. However, much of the footage was treated with digital time-stretching techniques for an artificial slow-motion effect, and this creates its own distracting brand of temporal artifact–ghosting, ha ha. A few of the clips are from lower-quality sources and the worst of them exhibit YouTube-style macroblocking and colour banding, while some archival behind-the-scenes footage wasn't deinterlaced before being integrated into the documentary. Still, there's no knocking IFC's Blu-ray, which I'm sure represents Ascher's finished digital version. Although the audio is a bit of a mish-mash by necessity, the 5.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack admirably brings everything into focus, smoothing out differences among the various vocal tracks and making sure they pop nicely on top of the compelling score, a sort of pastiche of Wendy Carlos music that thrums with its own Kubrickian life.

For real Room 237 fans, the key extra here is the audio commentary by Kevin McLeod, the Internet's enigmatic "mstrmnd," whose epic online analysis of The Shining is made up of webpage after webpage of nearly unreadable blocks of tiny white text in which he waxes on about the groundbreaking neuroscientific foundations of Kubrick's storytelling technique. (Sample: "Once neurophenomenologically decrypted, The Shining can be seen as a beginning to a new form of post-Western visual guidance. Perhaps even a new facet of language.") While I'm quite sure McLeod is barking up the wrong tree in his insistence, for example, that one key to the film is the fact that the letter T on the original poster design by Saul Bass is a direct and deliberate reference to T-shaped windows found in the ancient Mayan city of Palenque*, when he sticks to imaginative and purely visual analysis he can be entertaining, and his comments definitely jibe with Ascher's overall project. Let's just hope that not too many budding young critics think of this guy's writing as a model for their own blogs.

Next up is "Secrets of The Shining: Live from the First Annual Stanley Film Festival" (50 mins.), a videotaped panel discussion from May 2013, moderated by Devin Faraci of BADASS DIGEST, that featured Stanley Kubrick's longtime personal assistant Leon Vitali along with Room 237 director Rodney Ascher, faked-moon-landing theorist Jay Weidner, and The Shining TV miniseries director Mick Garris, functioning more or less as a Stephen King surrogate. It goes on a bit long for the wee tidbits of Shining information it contains, most of it rehashed from other sources and much of it irrelevant to Room 237 itself, but it's kind of fun to watch Vitali–who called Room 237 "pure gibberish" in THE NEW YORK TIMES–get progressively more annoyed over the questions about Kubrick's intentions. "Composition was everything," he says of Kubrick's artistic mindset. "Continuity had to take second place. That's how he worked."

"Room 237: The Making of the Original Motion Picture Score" (3 mins.) collects grungy B-roll footage (letterboxed to 1.95:1 for some reason) from studio recording sessions that show some of the instruments and equipment that were used to perform and record the score, which mixes traditional wind and percussion instruments with vintage synthesizer sounds. Another, untitled, three-minute short has artist Aled Lewis speaking in tinny voiceover about his work embedding sexual imagery and other nutty subtext into an illustration for a limited-edition Mondo poster. Meh.

A total of 11 "deleted scenes" totalling 24 minutes are really just edited audio snippets set against a moving screenshot (slightly out of sync, oddly enough) of Ascher's Final Cut Pro software in playback mode. The highlight comes when Weidner reveals that a small cabal of top-tier filmmakers, all of whom "are working for larger powers," are aware that Kubrick was involved in the fake moon-landing footage, citing as evidence the filmmaker character "Stanley Motss" in Barry Levinson's Wag the Dog. (Never mind that Wag the Dog's screenplay was written by Hilary Henkin and David Mamet; are they in on it, too?) Who else is in the secret club? Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, and Ridley Scott. "Every film nowadays has an agenda," says Weidner, who sees hidden meanings not only in Kubrick's movie, but in every movie.

Topping off the HiDef extras are a theatrical trailer with critics' quotes plus three different "alternate trailers" that replace the usual laudatory scrolling text with other types of criticism: a dense, tongue-twisting essay by writer Gerry Fialka, some YouTube comments about the theatrical trailer, and quotes from critics Jim Emerson, Girish Shambu, and Jonathan Rosenbaum, all of whom find Ascher's project somewhat dubious. Unfortunately, none of those guys were invited to contribute to this particular package–that might have livened things up a bit.

*Mstrmnd has asked that a correction be appended to this review, offering a letter from anthropologist and Mesoamerican scholar Allan L. Maca, PhD that he says confirms his assertion that the large letter T in the poster design for The Shining was clearly and deliberately modelled by Stanley Kubrick on the 'IK symbol of Mayan antiquity–specifically the 'IK-shaped windows in the city of Palenque. Permission to reprint his emailed message was denied, but in a tweet reproduced below, he complained that his "data" related to the matter was being questioned here inappropriately. In response, I can say that we disagree on what constitutes "data." It's certainly a colourful interpretation, and Mstrmnd is welcome to it. For my part, while I was writing I went so far as to Google up some of the preliminary Saul Bass sketches for the poster art and saw no indication that the T shape was an integral part of the design process for either Bass or Kubrick. Rather, it seemed like a convenient way for Bass to keep his dots in the picture in the face of Kubrick's objections that his pointillistic title treatments were rendering the words too difficult to read. At any rate, absent some kind of affirmation from associates of either the late Kubrick or the late Bass (and it was Bass, not Kubrick himself, who designed this poster), to declare that they intended to reference Mayan hieroglyphs here strikes me as a fundamentally unprovable assertion. I can understand that it might look that way to an anthropologist specializing in Mayan studies, in the same way that a history professor specializing in German studies might read deliberate references to the Holocaust into the film itself. But, especially in light of Bass's long history of creating similarly unusual type treatments for movie titles, I find the argument unconvincing. return

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57 Comments

  1. Like most Kubrick films, “The Shining” is filled with details designed to draw the viewer into a labyrinth, and judging from this documentary, it worked. Some of the details, like Jack reading Playgirl, are probably pranks. (Not unlike John Lennon singing “Here’s a little clue for you all, the walrus is Paul.”) Others, like the hallway carpet switching direction and the minotaur images, are dead on. I’d say what these clues point to are not the moon landing or Native Americans or 1942 but the labyrinth itself. We all create one and get lost in it. But as one of the commentators notes, Danny shows we can find a way out.

  2. Like most Kubrick films, “The Shining” is filled with details designed to draw the viewer into a labyrinth, and judging from this documentary, it worked. Some of the details, like Jack reading Playgirl, are probably pranks. (Not unlike John Lennon singing “Here’s a little clue for you all, the walrus is Paul.”) Others, like the hallway carpet switching direction and the minotaur images, are dead on. I’d say what these clues point to are not the moon landing or Native Americans or 1942 but the labyrinth itself. We all create one and get lost in it. But as one of the commentators notes, Danny shows we can find a way out.

  3. Like most Kubrick films, “The Shining” is filled with details designed to draw the viewer into a labyrinth, and judging from this documentary, it worked. Some of the details, like Jack reading Playgirl, are probably pranks. (Not unlike John Lennon singing “Here’s a little clue for you all, the walrus is Paul.”) Others, like the hallway carpet switching direction and the minotaur images, are dead on. I’d say what these clues point to are not the moon landing or Native Americans or 1942 but the labyrinth itself. We all create one and get lost in it. But as one of the commentators notes, Danny shows we can find a way out.

  4. A

    Mstrmnd is a crank. His analysis of films are incomprehensible and inane. Guy should stick to coding or whatever inhuman thing it is he does. Movies are for people who don’t think in ones and zeros. I never thought I would live to see the day where acute paranoia is the default mode of perception for people not taking massive does of doctor-mandated klonopin, but it seems as if we have arrived at just this place. Paranoia and conspiratorial thinking are fine when they are coming from the fringes of society, because it gives the ranting a dose of autheticity. But when it’s coming from the center is loses all bite and becomes cheap and banal. That what it felt like listening to the people in Room 237. Like being stuck in an elevator with the world’s most boring lunatic. The people interviewed by Ascher have lost their minds, i.e., they have lost control of the critical capabilities. It’s not cute and it’s not cool, it’s just sad.

  5. A

    Mstrmnd is a crank. His analysis of films are incomprehensible and inane. Guy should stick to coding or whatever inhuman thing it is he does. Movies are for people who don’t think in ones and zeros. I never thought I would live to see the day where acute paranoia is the default mode of perception for people not taking massive does of doctor-mandated klonopin, but it seems as if we have arrived at just this place. Paranoia and conspiratorial thinking are fine when they are coming from the fringes of society, because it gives the ranting a dose of autheticity. But when it’s coming from the center is loses all bite and becomes cheap and banal. That what it felt like listening to the people in Room 237. Like being stuck in an elevator with the world’s most boring lunatic. The people interviewed by Ascher have lost their minds, i.e., they have lost control of the critical capabilities. It’s not cute and it’s not cool, it’s just sad.

  6. A

    Mstrmnd is a crank. His analysis of films are incomprehensible and inane. Guy should stick to coding or whatever inhuman thing it is he does. Movies are for people who don’t think in ones and zeros. I never thought I would live to see the day where acute paranoia is the default mode of perception for people not taking massive does of doctor-mandated klonopin, but it seems as if we have arrived at just this place. Paranoia and conspiratorial thinking are fine when they are coming from the fringes of society, because it gives the ranting a dose of autheticity. But when it’s coming from the center is loses all bite and becomes cheap and banal. That what it felt like listening to the people in Room 237. Like being stuck in an elevator with the world’s most boring lunatic. The people interviewed by Ascher have lost their minds, i.e., they have lost control of the critical capabilities. It’s not cute and it’s not cool, it’s just sad.

  7. Kevin McLeod

    Of COURSE I’m a crank. By definition, futureshock always involves assertions that the society at large is unable to comprehend. My job is push an agenda of rapid futurism. And no, there is no paranoia or conspiracy involved in my writing. The writer “A” here has either never read me or is simplistically grouping me in a group I denied (I chose not to be in the film).
    My argument is far more advanced than what this clown is suggesting. I say that Kubrick invented a new way that language can operate. The result is that 5 people can map out completely different subjectivities from what might be observed as a fairly objective piece of linear motion. I can prove this, since I’ve done the research. The letter above is one of scores of references (including research into Saul Bass’s archives) to prove a quite complex argument.
    The personal attacks are proof the writer has little substance with which to debate.

  8. Kevin McLeod

    Of COURSE I’m a crank. By definition, futureshock always involves assertions that the society at large is unable to comprehend. My job is push an agenda of rapid futurism. And no, there is no paranoia or conspiracy involved in my writing. The writer “A” here has either never read me or is simplistically grouping me in a group I denied (I chose not to be in the film).
    My argument is far more advanced than what this clown is suggesting. I say that Kubrick invented a new way that language can operate. The result is that 5 people can map out completely different subjectivities from what might be observed as a fairly objective piece of linear motion. I can prove this, since I’ve done the research. The letter above is one of scores of references (including research into Saul Bass’s archives) to prove a quite complex argument.
    The personal attacks are proof the writer has little substance with which to debate.

  9. Kevin McLeod

    Of COURSE I’m a crank. By definition, futureshock always involves assertions that the society at large is unable to comprehend. My job is push an agenda of rapid futurism. And no, there is no paranoia or conspiracy involved in my writing. The writer “A” here has either never read me or is simplistically grouping me in a group I denied (I chose not to be in the film).
    My argument is far more advanced than what this clown is suggesting. I say that Kubrick invented a new way that language can operate. The result is that 5 people can map out completely different subjectivities from what might be observed as a fairly objective piece of linear motion. I can prove this, since I’ve done the research. The letter above is one of scores of references (including research into Saul Bass’s archives) to prove a quite complex argument.
    The personal attacks are proof the writer has little substance with which to debate.

  10. Kevin McLeod

    and to respond to the addendum, your key argument’s analogy hold’s no weight: there are no references to the Holocaust in The Shining. Zero. Of course the debate is a stretch.
    There are hundreds of references to Native American identity in the film, so it’s possible a Mesoamerican scholar is going to observe the discrete use of symbols if shown them.
    And if the author were to really read the text, he’d discover that the scholar sent me the initial piece of data as a lark: the July 4, 1921 folkloric myth. A chance lightning bolt that created a legendary curse (entering folklore only in 1921) from a Revolutionary War era Native casualty. Like Poe, Kubrick was a master of weaving the real with the unreal, and always in a form of mirroring.

  11. Kevin McLeod

    and to respond to the addendum, your key argument’s analogy hold’s no weight: there are no references to the Holocaust in The Shining. Zero. Of course the debate is a stretch.
    There are hundreds of references to Native American identity in the film, so it’s possible a Mesoamerican scholar is going to observe the discrete use of symbols if shown them.
    And if the author were to really read the text, he’d discover that the scholar sent me the initial piece of data as a lark: the July 4, 1921 folkloric myth. A chance lightning bolt that created a legendary curse (entering folklore only in 1921) from a Revolutionary War era Native casualty. Like Poe, Kubrick was a master of weaving the real with the unreal, and always in a form of mirroring.

  12. Kevin McLeod

    and to respond to the addendum, your key argument’s analogy hold’s no weight: there are no references to the Holocaust in The Shining. Zero. Of course the debate is a stretch.
    There are hundreds of references to Native American identity in the film, so it’s possible a Mesoamerican scholar is going to observe the discrete use of symbols if shown them.
    And if the author were to really read the text, he’d discover that the scholar sent me the initial piece of data as a lark: the July 4, 1921 folkloric myth. A chance lightning bolt that created a legendary curse (entering folklore only in 1921) from a Revolutionary War era Native casualty. Like Poe, Kubrick was a master of weaving the real with the unreal, and always in a form of mirroring.

  13. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    “I say that Kubrick invented a new way that language can operate. The result is that 5 people can map out completely different subjectivities from what might be observed as a fairly objective piece of linear motion.”
    So five different people will give you five different interpretations of a work of art? How on earth is this different from any other novel, poem, film, painting….

  14. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    “I say that Kubrick invented a new way that language can operate. The result is that 5 people can map out completely different subjectivities from what might be observed as a fairly objective piece of linear motion.”
    So five different people will give you five different interpretations of a work of art? How on earth is this different from any other novel, poem, film, painting….

  15. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    “I say that Kubrick invented a new way that language can operate. The result is that 5 people can map out completely different subjectivities from what might be observed as a fairly objective piece of linear motion.”
    So five different people will give you five different interpretations of a work of art? How on earth is this different from any other novel, poem, film, painting….

  16. Kevin McLeod

    These aren’t you’re basic interpretations of art, which involve typically similar or same syntaxes. A symbol is matched to it’s antithesis, or two symbols and a word etc. An ambiguous exchange leaves the audience guessing. Those are interpretations that uses the film in a singular syntax. Instead each interpretation in 237 involves differing syntaxes. The ‘visual minotaur’ (singular, however real or not) exposes an intricate maze built from multiplied impossibilities. The film mirrored against itself. The ‘moon conspiracy’ sourced in direct representation (not symbols). Not only do none share syntax, they’re quite elaborate and each seem to involve some pareidolia coupled with statistically valid data. You’re looking at a pretty vast cognitive-science test. Storied by King, visually amped to the hilt by Kubrick.

  17. Kevin McLeod

    These aren’t you’re basic interpretations of art, which involve typically similar or same syntaxes. A symbol is matched to it’s antithesis, or two symbols and a word etc. An ambiguous exchange leaves the audience guessing. Those are interpretations that uses the film in a singular syntax. Instead each interpretation in 237 involves differing syntaxes. The ‘visual minotaur’ (singular, however real or not) exposes an intricate maze built from multiplied impossibilities. The film mirrored against itself. The ‘moon conspiracy’ sourced in direct representation (not symbols). Not only do none share syntax, they’re quite elaborate and each seem to involve some pareidolia coupled with statistically valid data. You’re looking at a pretty vast cognitive-science test. Storied by King, visually amped to the hilt by Kubrick.

  18. Kevin McLeod

    These aren’t you’re basic interpretations of art, which involve typically similar or same syntaxes. A symbol is matched to it’s antithesis, or two symbols and a word etc. An ambiguous exchange leaves the audience guessing. Those are interpretations that uses the film in a singular syntax. Instead each interpretation in 237 involves differing syntaxes. The ‘visual minotaur’ (singular, however real or not) exposes an intricate maze built from multiplied impossibilities. The film mirrored against itself. The ‘moon conspiracy’ sourced in direct representation (not symbols). Not only do none share syntax, they’re quite elaborate and each seem to involve some pareidolia coupled with statistically valid data. You’re looking at a pretty vast cognitive-science test. Storied by King, visually amped to the hilt by Kubrick.

  19. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    If, as you say, all of these readings involve some pareidolia, doesn’t that brush authorial intent aside? The nature of pareidolia is that the stimulus is random. I may see Jesus in a piece of toast, it doesn’t mean my loaf of bread is administering a Rorschach test.

  20. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    If, as you say, all of these readings involve some pareidolia, doesn’t that brush authorial intent aside? The nature of pareidolia is that the stimulus is random. I may see Jesus in a piece of toast, it doesn’t mean my loaf of bread is administering a Rorschach test.

  21. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    If, as you say, all of these readings involve some pareidolia, doesn’t that brush authorial intent aside? The nature of pareidolia is that the stimulus is random. I may see Jesus in a piece of toast, it doesn’t mean my loaf of bread is administering a Rorschach test.

  22. Kevin McLeod

    The pareidolia here appears to be conjured by the viewer’s need to see a specific representation culled from entirely different syntaxes. Two examples, both minotaur (a symbol that she sees as a representation) and ‘Kubrick in the clouds’ a direct representation are culled from respectively, time-space distortion and representations. There are others and I’ll save them from the book.

  23. Kevin McLeod

    The pareidolia here appears to be conjured by the viewer’s need to see a specific representation culled from entirely different syntaxes. Two examples, both minotaur (a symbol that she sees as a representation) and ‘Kubrick in the clouds’ a direct representation are culled from respectively, time-space distortion and representations. There are others and I’ll save them from the book.

  24. Kevin McLeod

    The pareidolia here appears to be conjured by the viewer’s need to see a specific representation culled from entirely different syntaxes. Two examples, both minotaur (a symbol that she sees as a representation) and ‘Kubrick in the clouds’ a direct representation are culled from respectively, time-space distortion and representations. There are others and I’ll save them from the book.

  25. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    Again, if this is, as you say, pareidolia, doesn’t that mean that you aren’t talking about Kubrick at all? You can see a minotaur, Kubrick’s face in the clouds, Jesus in a piece of toast. It doesn’t imply Kubrick intended The Shining as a cognitive test any more than Jesus in my toast implies that my loaf of bread is Christian. I can even get a hundred people to agree that my toast looks like Jesus, it still says nothing about my loaf bread–and certainly nothing about the baker.

  26. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    Again, if this is, as you say, pareidolia, doesn’t that mean that you aren’t talking about Kubrick at all? You can see a minotaur, Kubrick’s face in the clouds, Jesus in a piece of toast. It doesn’t imply Kubrick intended The Shining as a cognitive test any more than Jesus in my toast implies that my loaf of bread is Christian. I can even get a hundred people to agree that my toast looks like Jesus, it still says nothing about my loaf bread–and certainly nothing about the baker.

  27. corym

    @Kevin McLeod
    Again, if this is, as you say, pareidolia, doesn’t that mean that you aren’t talking about Kubrick at all? You can see a minotaur, Kubrick’s face in the clouds, Jesus in a piece of toast. It doesn’t imply Kubrick intended The Shining as a cognitive test any more than Jesus in my toast implies that my loaf of bread is Christian. I can even get a hundred people to agree that my toast looks like Jesus, it still says nothing about my loaf bread–and certainly nothing about the baker.

  28. Kevin McLeod

    You’re not getting what I’m saying. Jesus in toast is implied by a cultural search for random things out here. Out here in reality the gaps between meanings are yours. You police them, and you’re in charge of your consciousness. So spotting any pareidolia is your mind’s eye. Here, they’re a direct product of Kubrick’s managing of gaps, which is the generator of any ‘desire’ to see pareidolia. Kubrick amplifies pareidolia through this style. Enjoy the book.

  29. Kevin McLeod

    You’re not getting what I’m saying. Jesus in toast is implied by a cultural search for random things out here. Out here in reality the gaps between meanings are yours. You police them, and you’re in charge of your consciousness. So spotting any pareidolia is your mind’s eye. Here, they’re a direct product of Kubrick’s managing of gaps, which is the generator of any ‘desire’ to see pareidolia. Kubrick amplifies pareidolia through this style. Enjoy the book.

  30. Kevin McLeod

    You’re not getting what I’m saying. Jesus in toast is implied by a cultural search for random things out here. Out here in reality the gaps between meanings are yours. You police them, and you’re in charge of your consciousness. So spotting any pareidolia is your mind’s eye. Here, they’re a direct product of Kubrick’s managing of gaps, which is the generator of any ‘desire’ to see pareidolia. Kubrick amplifies pareidolia through this style. Enjoy the book.

  31. corym

    I’m getting off this train now.

  32. corym

    I’m getting off this train now.

  33. corym

    I’m getting off this train now.

  34. Kevin McLeod

    Look, it’s pretty apparent this thread offers both insight and healthy debate. Unfortunately what opened the debate here, the introductory rancor aimed at me is the usual: uninformed characterization. I’m not here to name-call, I’m here debating ideas. I’ve developed a pretty clear argument that’s easily understood if time is taken to grok it.
    I’m not alone, I have several pretty brilliant scientists from a variety of fields lending a hand in the book’s thesis. These are not only skeptical thinkers, they’re the leaders in their fields.
    Lastly, it’s quite important to understand the film medium is just like any other written language at its very beginnings. Except this one is pictogrammatic, and in motion. What Kubrick did was to give the medium a shove towards a more complete language, maybe using a syntax that’s never been seen before. I invite anyone to really take a careful listen to the commentary. At the very least you can learn first-hand what Kubrick invented, something he called a “mode-jerk” (see the Thames & Hudson A.I. Book), and how it was applied to The Shining, 2001, Eyes Wide Shut and Full Metal Jacket.

  35. Kevin McLeod

    Look, it’s pretty apparent this thread offers both insight and healthy debate. Unfortunately what opened the debate here, the introductory rancor aimed at me is the usual: uninformed characterization. I’m not here to name-call, I’m here debating ideas. I’ve developed a pretty clear argument that’s easily understood if time is taken to grok it.
    I’m not alone, I have several pretty brilliant scientists from a variety of fields lending a hand in the book’s thesis. These are not only skeptical thinkers, they’re the leaders in their fields.
    Lastly, it’s quite important to understand the film medium is just like any other written language at its very beginnings. Except this one is pictogrammatic, and in motion. What Kubrick did was to give the medium a shove towards a more complete language, maybe using a syntax that’s never been seen before. I invite anyone to really take a careful listen to the commentary. At the very least you can learn first-hand what Kubrick invented, something he called a “mode-jerk” (see the Thames & Hudson A.I. Book), and how it was applied to The Shining, 2001, Eyes Wide Shut and Full Metal Jacket.

  36. Kevin McLeod

    Look, it’s pretty apparent this thread offers both insight and healthy debate. Unfortunately what opened the debate here, the introductory rancor aimed at me is the usual: uninformed characterization. I’m not here to name-call, I’m here debating ideas. I’ve developed a pretty clear argument that’s easily understood if time is taken to grok it.
    I’m not alone, I have several pretty brilliant scientists from a variety of fields lending a hand in the book’s thesis. These are not only skeptical thinkers, they’re the leaders in their fields.
    Lastly, it’s quite important to understand the film medium is just like any other written language at its very beginnings. Except this one is pictogrammatic, and in motion. What Kubrick did was to give the medium a shove towards a more complete language, maybe using a syntax that’s never been seen before. I invite anyone to really take a careful listen to the commentary. At the very least you can learn first-hand what Kubrick invented, something he called a “mode-jerk” (see the Thames & Hudson A.I. Book), and how it was applied to The Shining, 2001, Eyes Wide Shut and Full Metal Jacket.

  37. A

    Yes, Kevin, you are a prophet, a seer, a man out of time whose time will come when our time is done. Get over yourself, dude. You have perfected the art of seeming to say a lot while saying absolutely nothing. You’re the Soakal Hoax come to life. You are projecting yourself into Kubrick. Kubrick is a genius, and since you understand Kubrick, you must be a genius too. Kubrick didn’t invent a new language, he just used the tools at hand better than most. Stop using Kubricks films as evidence of your own cognitive superiority. Too bad Kubrick’s not around. I think if he read your analysis of his films he would laugh. But I’m just guessing. Of course, I assume you know exactly what he would think, because you can read minds. Double your meds, “Mstrmnd.”

  38. A

    Yes, Kevin, you are a prophet, a seer, a man out of time whose time will come when our time is done. Get over yourself, dude. You have perfected the art of seeming to say a lot while saying absolutely nothing. You’re the Soakal Hoax come to life. You are projecting yourself into Kubrick. Kubrick is a genius, and since you understand Kubrick, you must be a genius too. Kubrick didn’t invent a new language, he just used the tools at hand better than most. Stop using Kubricks films as evidence of your own cognitive superiority. Too bad Kubrick’s not around. I think if he read your analysis of his films he would laugh. But I’m just guessing. Of course, I assume you know exactly what he would think, because you can read minds. Double your meds, “Mstrmnd.”

  39. A

    Yes, Kevin, you are a prophet, a seer, a man out of time whose time will come when our time is done. Get over yourself, dude. You have perfected the art of seeming to say a lot while saying absolutely nothing. You’re the Soakal Hoax come to life. You are projecting yourself into Kubrick. Kubrick is a genius, and since you understand Kubrick, you must be a genius too. Kubrick didn’t invent a new language, he just used the tools at hand better than most. Stop using Kubricks films as evidence of your own cognitive superiority. Too bad Kubrick’s not around. I think if he read your analysis of his films he would laugh. But I’m just guessing. Of course, I assume you know exactly what he would think, because you can read minds. Double your meds, “Mstrmnd.”

  40. Greg Machlin

    What a monster fucking ego you have, Kevin McLeod. Attached to a medicore intellect. Too bad Ascher didn’t include your narration on the soundtrack. You would have fit in perfectly with the others.

  41. Greg Machlin

    What a monster fucking ego you have, Kevin McLeod. Attached to a medicore intellect. Too bad Ascher didn’t include your narration on the soundtrack. You would have fit in perfectly with the others.

  42. Greg Machlin

    What a monster fucking ego you have, Kevin McLeod. Attached to a medicore intellect. Too bad Ascher didn’t include your narration on the soundtrack. You would have fit in perfectly with the others.

  43. Kevin McLeod

    My ego isn’t the issue. I am not claiming any brilliance. I’m using guides before me. Something someone like a guy named Cassirer did for bridging written languages, and Suzanne Langer did for bridging scientific fields, the same can be done to film, only it requires we study the smartest directors. Kubrick is obviously years if not decades before his time. Attempting a holistic peek into how film works, with him in focus, might actually reveal some basic truths about how the medium operates on different centers of the brain. Semantic, grammar, even metaphor appear to have regions separated. And it’s an insanely young language, compared to the languages we speak with. A clear line of genius from Heraclitus (paradoxes that condense science and language) to DaVinci (paradoxes that condense symbols into science) to Poe to Kubrick etc, all employ similar, if not converging strategies.
    You may want to remain attached to the meaningful aspects of storytelling. The profound emotions of storytelling. But videogames don’t really seek meaning, just solutions.
    I hear these denouncements but the anger seems filled with fear, and hatred. And likely meaningless, since none of you can discuss even the basics of what’s being suggested. This isn’t very hard. You use nouns. You use verbs. You probably know what syntax is. And you’ve all seen hieroglyphics. And now you know what a movie really is. Acted glyphs. The beginnings of a language. And I didn’t come up with this. Two guys did: Eisenstein and Griffith. Both talked about film as glyphs and ideograms and sentences. You’re basically attacking a theory invented by the inventors of longform cinema, almost all the tricks wee use began with these two.
    These two A, and Greg Machlin. I hear this pointless vitriol, and again, futile characterizations. Not any of you want the debate. You attack like this is some retro-era witchhunt. This is not the dark ages. This is the future. You’re invited to wake up.

  44. Kevin McLeod

    My ego isn’t the issue. I am not claiming any brilliance. I’m using guides before me. Something someone like a guy named Cassirer did for bridging written languages, and Suzanne Langer did for bridging scientific fields, the same can be done to film, only it requires we study the smartest directors. Kubrick is obviously years if not decades before his time. Attempting a holistic peek into how film works, with him in focus, might actually reveal some basic truths about how the medium operates on different centers of the brain. Semantic, grammar, even metaphor appear to have regions separated. And it’s an insanely young language, compared to the languages we speak with. A clear line of genius from Heraclitus (paradoxes that condense science and language) to DaVinci (paradoxes that condense symbols into science) to Poe to Kubrick etc, all employ similar, if not converging strategies.
    You may want to remain attached to the meaningful aspects of storytelling. The profound emotions of storytelling. But videogames don’t really seek meaning, just solutions.
    I hear these denouncements but the anger seems filled with fear, and hatred. And likely meaningless, since none of you can discuss even the basics of what’s being suggested. This isn’t very hard. You use nouns. You use verbs. You probably know what syntax is. And you’ve all seen hieroglyphics. And now you know what a movie really is. Acted glyphs. The beginnings of a language. And I didn’t come up with this. Two guys did: Eisenstein and Griffith. Both talked about film as glyphs and ideograms and sentences. You’re basically attacking a theory invented by the inventors of longform cinema, almost all the tricks wee use began with these two.
    These two A, and Greg Machlin. I hear this pointless vitriol, and again, futile characterizations. Not any of you want the debate. You attack like this is some retro-era witchhunt. This is not the dark ages. This is the future. You’re invited to wake up.

  45. Kevin McLeod

    My ego isn’t the issue. I am not claiming any brilliance. I’m using guides before me. Something someone like a guy named Cassirer did for bridging written languages, and Suzanne Langer did for bridging scientific fields, the same can be done to film, only it requires we study the smartest directors. Kubrick is obviously years if not decades before his time. Attempting a holistic peek into how film works, with him in focus, might actually reveal some basic truths about how the medium operates on different centers of the brain. Semantic, grammar, even metaphor appear to have regions separated. And it’s an insanely young language, compared to the languages we speak with. A clear line of genius from Heraclitus (paradoxes that condense science and language) to DaVinci (paradoxes that condense symbols into science) to Poe to Kubrick etc, all employ similar, if not converging strategies.
    You may want to remain attached to the meaningful aspects of storytelling. The profound emotions of storytelling. But videogames don’t really seek meaning, just solutions.
    I hear these denouncements but the anger seems filled with fear, and hatred. And likely meaningless, since none of you can discuss even the basics of what’s being suggested. This isn’t very hard. You use nouns. You use verbs. You probably know what syntax is. And you’ve all seen hieroglyphics. And now you know what a movie really is. Acted glyphs. The beginnings of a language. And I didn’t come up with this. Two guys did: Eisenstein and Griffith. Both talked about film as glyphs and ideograms and sentences. You’re basically attacking a theory invented by the inventors of longform cinema, almost all the tricks wee use began with these two.
    These two A, and Greg Machlin. I hear this pointless vitriol, and again, futile characterizations. Not any of you want the debate. You attack like this is some retro-era witchhunt. This is not the dark ages. This is the future. You’re invited to wake up.

  46. Greg Machlin

    Meet the New High Priests, same as the Old High Priests.
    You don’t live in the future. There is no future. There is only the present. And those who want to control the present. You’re just another controller. You want to mystify what is simple so that you can claim proprietary interest over it. Because this is what people do. They try and carve out there own little niche and then make themselves lord and ruler over that niche. Again, you are acting as if Kubrick is speaking in a language that only you – and a few select others – can understand, and that’s where I refuse you and your ideas. Which doesn’t make me retrograde. It just makes me immune to your bullshit. When I watch Kubrick I see someone using the language of cinema in a very elegant way. You watch his films much like a talmudic scholar reading the bible. You see codes that need to be deciphered. Which is your prerogative. I just find your nutballing of Kubrick kind of obnoxious. And willfully perverse. Your readings of his film take his films away from him and make them YOURS. Kubrick said that films were meant to bypass the intellect and head straight for the emotions, the heart. You seem to disregard this. You seem to think that you can quantify and make a typology of things he did on an unconscious level. How Kubrick achieved what he achieved is largely in part because he had the intuition of an artist. Some things can’t be explained. You would probably disagree with this. But there is something ineffable that goes into making films as beautiful and haunting as Kubrick’s. Stop thinking with your hyperrational, programmer’s mind, and start thinking more like a human. You are exactly the type of dehumanized person Kubrick’s films portrayed and worried about. I don’t think that’s an irony you quite get.

  47. Greg Machlin

    Meet the New High Priests, same as the Old High Priests.
    You don’t live in the future. There is no future. There is only the present. And those who want to control the present. You’re just another controller. You want to mystify what is simple so that you can claim proprietary interest over it. Because this is what people do. They try and carve out there own little niche and then make themselves lord and ruler over that niche. Again, you are acting as if Kubrick is speaking in a language that only you – and a few select others – can understand, and that’s where I refuse you and your ideas. Which doesn’t make me retrograde. It just makes me immune to your bullshit. When I watch Kubrick I see someone using the language of cinema in a very elegant way. You watch his films much like a talmudic scholar reading the bible. You see codes that need to be deciphered. Which is your prerogative. I just find your nutballing of Kubrick kind of obnoxious. And willfully perverse. Your readings of his film take his films away from him and make them YOURS. Kubrick said that films were meant to bypass the intellect and head straight for the emotions, the heart. You seem to disregard this. You seem to think that you can quantify and make a typology of things he did on an unconscious level. How Kubrick achieved what he achieved is largely in part because he had the intuition of an artist. Some things can’t be explained. You would probably disagree with this. But there is something ineffable that goes into making films as beautiful and haunting as Kubrick’s. Stop thinking with your hyperrational, programmer’s mind, and start thinking more like a human. You are exactly the type of dehumanized person Kubrick’s films portrayed and worried about. I don’t think that’s an irony you quite get.

  48. Greg Machlin

    Meet the New High Priests, same as the Old High Priests.
    You don’t live in the future. There is no future. There is only the present. And those who want to control the present. You’re just another controller. You want to mystify what is simple so that you can claim proprietary interest over it. Because this is what people do. They try and carve out there own little niche and then make themselves lord and ruler over that niche. Again, you are acting as if Kubrick is speaking in a language that only you – and a few select others – can understand, and that’s where I refuse you and your ideas. Which doesn’t make me retrograde. It just makes me immune to your bullshit. When I watch Kubrick I see someone using the language of cinema in a very elegant way. You watch his films much like a talmudic scholar reading the bible. You see codes that need to be deciphered. Which is your prerogative. I just find your nutballing of Kubrick kind of obnoxious. And willfully perverse. Your readings of his film take his films away from him and make them YOURS. Kubrick said that films were meant to bypass the intellect and head straight for the emotions, the heart. You seem to disregard this. You seem to think that you can quantify and make a typology of things he did on an unconscious level. How Kubrick achieved what he achieved is largely in part because he had the intuition of an artist. Some things can’t be explained. You would probably disagree with this. But there is something ineffable that goes into making films as beautiful and haunting as Kubrick’s. Stop thinking with your hyperrational, programmer’s mind, and start thinking more like a human. You are exactly the type of dehumanized person Kubrick’s films portrayed and worried about. I don’t think that’s an irony you quite get.

  49. Okay, okay, enough of the hate already. If you don’t like Kevin’s interpretation, ignore it. Problem solved.

  50. Okay, okay, enough of the hate already. If you don’t like Kevin’s interpretation, ignore it. Problem solved.

  51. Okay, okay, enough of the hate already. If you don’t like Kevin’s interpretation, ignore it. Problem solved.

  52. Jocko

    i think i get what he’s saying- Kubrick trying to show us how we’re all locked up inside our own heads (like the characters in the movie) projecting it outward in patterns particular to us? Rorshach movie making, ‘managing the gaps’? Bah

  53. Jocko

    i think i get what he’s saying- Kubrick trying to show us how we’re all locked up inside our own heads (like the characters in the movie) projecting it outward in patterns particular to us? Rorshach movie making, ‘managing the gaps’? Bah

  54. Jocko

    i think i get what he’s saying- Kubrick trying to show us how we’re all locked up inside our own heads (like the characters in the movie) projecting it outward in patterns particular to us? Rorshach movie making, ‘managing the gaps’? Bah

  55. Kevin McLeod

    To Greg
    (apologies for the delay, but been away for a bit)
    The Shining is not The Talmud. And I am no High Priest. I am a scientist somewhat, searching for a global language that anyone can participate in by using it. Movie directors are our era’s version of temple scribes, creating myths that encode our laws and rituals into performance. I’m not trying to inscribe mystery, I’m trying to decipher it, using methods that anthropologists and archaeologists have used for over a century to decrypt the past. Strangely, you infer that I have a proprietary relationship with this process and paradoxically the opposite is true, I let anyone who can read english access it, without any fees. You see this as dehumanizing, or that I am somehow less than human, and use a dead, subjective essence like irony as descriptive, while I can assure you that emotion is the central goal of all humanity and that the semantic-meaning that divides all humans is likely our undoing. Where ALL conflict comes from. And Kubrick is the one of few among many who is telling us to forge a new comprehension of humanity from our needless alliances with centralized, tribal meanings that lay buried in our languages but cannot be ignored in the purely visual. I am not interfering with your views regarding Kubrick, any interpretation is possible. But incredibly, you find it necessary to interfere with mine. Who is more aware here?

  56. Kevin McLeod

    To Greg
    (apologies for the delay, but been away for a bit)
    The Shining is not The Talmud. And I am no High Priest. I am a scientist somewhat, searching for a global language that anyone can participate in by using it. Movie directors are our era’s version of temple scribes, creating myths that encode our laws and rituals into performance. I’m not trying to inscribe mystery, I’m trying to decipher it, using methods that anthropologists and archaeologists have used for over a century to decrypt the past. Strangely, you infer that I have a proprietary relationship with this process and paradoxically the opposite is true, I let anyone who can read english access it, without any fees. You see this as dehumanizing, or that I am somehow less than human, and use a dead, subjective essence like irony as descriptive, while I can assure you that emotion is the central goal of all humanity and that the semantic-meaning that divides all humans is likely our undoing. Where ALL conflict comes from. And Kubrick is the one of few among many who is telling us to forge a new comprehension of humanity from our needless alliances with centralized, tribal meanings that lay buried in our languages but cannot be ignored in the purely visual. I am not interfering with your views regarding Kubrick, any interpretation is possible. But incredibly, you find it necessary to interfere with mine. Who is more aware here?

  57. Kevin McLeod

    To Greg
    (apologies for the delay, but been away for a bit)
    The Shining is not The Talmud. And I am no High Priest. I am a scientist somewhat, searching for a global language that anyone can participate in by using it. Movie directors are our era’s version of temple scribes, creating myths that encode our laws and rituals into performance. I’m not trying to inscribe mystery, I’m trying to decipher it, using methods that anthropologists and archaeologists have used for over a century to decrypt the past. Strangely, you infer that I have a proprietary relationship with this process and paradoxically the opposite is true, I let anyone who can read english access it, without any fees. You see this as dehumanizing, or that I am somehow less than human, and use a dead, subjective essence like irony as descriptive, while I can assure you that emotion is the central goal of all humanity and that the semantic-meaning that divides all humans is likely our undoing. Where ALL conflict comes from. And Kubrick is the one of few among many who is telling us to forge a new comprehension of humanity from our needless alliances with centralized, tribal meanings that lay buried in our languages but cannot be ignored in the purely visual. I am not interfering with your views regarding Kubrick, any interpretation is possible. But incredibly, you find it necessary to interfere with mine. Who is more aware here?

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