The Dark Knight Rises (2012) – Blu-ray + DVD Combo Pack

***½/**** Image A- Sound A+ Extras A-
starring Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Anne Hathaway
screenplay by Jonathan Nolan and Christopher Nolan
directed by Christopher Nolan

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by Walter Chaw For all its overreaching (and what's perilously close to a training montage), Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises is fascinating, engaging, and aggressively present. It's a wonderfully-performed melodrama about the sad, intractable state of our sorry state, painted in broad strokes in a muted palette. It's what many would think impossible despite the evidence of its predecessor: a comic book for grown-ups. And it accomplishes what it sets out to do without much in the way of action sequences or hero moments–the irony being, of course, that The Dark Knight Rises is fated to become the best-reviewed and most-lucrative release of 2012 for having the very same qualities for which the deeply-underappreciated Superman Returns was lambasted. I would argue that a wide swath of the people who will adore it will have difficulty articulating exactly why.

RUNNING TIME
165 minutes
MPAA
PG-13
ASPECT RATIO(S)
1.78:1/2.40:1 (1080p/MPEG-4)
LANGUAGES
English 5.1 DTS-HD MA
English DD 2.0 (Stereo)
French DD 5.1
Spanish DD 5.1
Portuguese DD 5.1

SUBTITLES
English SDH
French
Spanish

REGION
All
DISC TYPE
BD-50 + BD-25
STUDIO
Warner

 

 

 

 

Indeed, The Dark Knight Rises is hardly an action movie at all, but a three-hour social satire that takes on the Occupy Movement, the crimes of the 1%, the crimes of the 99%, and, in no particular order, capitalism, socialism, anarchy, and the desire for principled individuals to wipe their personal slate clean and start over fresh somewhere new. How else to take a film that dangles the possibility of renewable energy, transforms that possibility into a Nobel nightmare of weaponization, then wipes its hands of the whole mess with an implicit declaration that one should only save a world worth saving? The Dark Knight Rises isn't about the Left or the Right–it's about the futility of vengeance, of drawing those lines in the first place. It's about wearing masks to lubricate social commerce, to hide from scrutiny, to disguise true intent if you're a villain and exaggerate it if you're a hero. It identifies the superhero genre as identical in that way to Japanese Noh, or the roots of Roman dramaturgy: as a caricature of large emotions, projected on archetypal masks, engaged in ritualized plots. And at the end, it defines heroism as martyrdom to an imperfect ideal. It's the Edmund Burke maxim of "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men stand by and do nothing" presented as viable, maybe the only life choice that makes sense. Also, the batwing is badass.

Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) has been in seclusion for eight years, mourning the death of his girlfriend on the night that sainted DA Harvey Dent was brutally murdered by masked vigilante The Batman. When he's robbed of his mother's pearl necklace at a charity ball on the grounds of Wayne Manor by comely cat burglar Selina Kyle (Anne Hathaway), Bruce's interest in the larger world outside is, shall we say, aroused. Selina, it seems, has fallen in with a bad crowd–she's beholden to a masked terrorist called Bane (Tom Hardy), the last remnant of Ra's al Ghul's (Liam Neeson) band of ne'er-do-wells. This sets up the intrigue of Batman and Bane being products of the same father-figure/mentor, as well as a moment (one of a couple that are a little too on-the-nose) where the picture compares Bruce with Christ, though The Dark Knight Rises has more interesting things than father issues to explore. What Bane wants, see, is to deliver Gotham City (New York stands in for it this time; it was Chicago last) into a state of martial law by wresting power away from the 1% and returning it, as it were, to the 99. This results in a raid on the Stock Exchange, the murder/rape/expulsion of all those brownstones along City Park, the burial of three-thousand uniformed police officers, the erection of a frightening kangaroo court (presided over by Scarecrow (Cillian Murphy), who else?), and, most unforgivably, the desecration of a professional football game. In other words, it takes on every institution of order that still holds currency in 2012. In the 1950s-into-'60s, the institutions under attack were family, law, and church. In the new millennium, more often than not, it's the banks and the government–whether it's possible anymore to distinguish the two.

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But it's not so tidy. It's not that Bane is right with his hippie-dippy, freak-flag communal concept, and it's not that representation-of-order Commissioner Gordon (Gary Oldman) and his upholding of laws based on lies and the denial of parole (possibly due process) is right. It's not that Selina (we know her better as "Catwoman," though no one refers to her by that name) is right when she warns Bruce that a populist storm is on the horizon to punish the power brokers for their decadence, and it's not that Batman is right that Gotham is worth saving in the end. He's told, in perhaps the film's most effective exchange, that the notion of "innocence" is a broad, inexact idea that Batman would be wise not to use so loosely. It seems to hold fast to the idea that the only rational thing left to do is run and leave the world to its own zero-sum devices. What's fascinating about The Dark Knight Rises is that, like The Dark Knight before it, it's interested in asking big, sloppy questions but finally content to land on the idea that there are no absolute definitions for concepts like morality, truth, identity, or innocence, and that the way these things persist is through a belief in stories, legends, heroes who give selflessly and become statues in public places. (If you think symbols aren't important, why is there a fight over a statue of Joe Paterno on the campus of State College?) I love the character of Officer Blake (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and how he's held up as the emblem of purity; I love his conversations with Bruce, and how by the end it's clear that the film is actually about him.

Most of all, I love that The Dark Knight Rises is pretentious, grandiose, and smart. It's what Prometheus aspired to be: large, popular genre entertainment, expertly done and, however imperfect, carefully reasoned through. The villain has a purpose, the femme fatale has a purpose, the hero has a purpose, and none of them are without complication or nuance. There are layers of interpretation possible for the film, and watching it twice, once in 35mm and again in definitive IMAX, showed not only that the large format is essential, but also that the film withstands repeat viewings. The clues to its many reveals prove themselves to be there from the beginning; Michael Caine's bit part as long-suffering butler Alfred is still tremendous; and Hathaway ends up as the character who resonates for her complexity (does she have a girlfriend?) and, ultimately, for the surprising sweetness of her aspirations. Even more marvellous is that in this thunderous, epic summer flick, what lingers for me are the scenes that don't involve explosions and gunfire. Nolan's Batman movies are time capsules of our zeitgeist, and while I hope their nihilism and hopelessness are misplaced, they feel just right.

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THE BLU-RAY DISC
by Bill Chambers Breathe a sigh of relief: Warner hasn't transferred The Dark Knight Rises to Blu-ray the way they did The Dark Knight, which is to say that an IMAX blowup did not serve as the source print for the 35mm footage this time around. As with The Dark Knight, however, the 1080p image toggles between 2.40:1 and 1.78:1, the latter slightly cropping the native IMAX dimensions of 1.66:1 to better simulate the format's screen-filling aspect. Downconverted from an 8k scan, the IMAX material (some of it in fact lower-resolution VistaVision, because it was impractical to shoot certain F/X in IMAX) looks tremendous, obviously–naturally, abundantly sharp and just plain rich. The one thing I will say against it is that it can get a little "velvety." There's probably a depth of contrast there that current HD simply can't replicate. The 2/3rds that were shot in 35mm* pale in comparison but really only in comparison, although faint traces of edge-enhancement crop up now and again, and the colours seem oversaturated in the earlygoing, perhaps all in a hopeless effort to equalize the two disparate stocks. As for the audio, the biggest difference between the film in theatres and at home is that Bane sounds crystal clear on this 5.1 DTS-HD MA track. Still vocoder-like and bassy as hell, mind, but crystal clear, and often more audible than some of the quieter characters. (His voice is also decentralized, a practical consideration that takes the onus off Tom Hardy to project through the mask.) The mix itself is like Bane: brutal, punishing, relentless. But strangely eloquent, too, boasting fluid sidewall pans and a crisp reproduction of Hans Zimmer's experimental score.

The only extra on the first platter of this combo pack is a "Second Screen" app that sends "exclusive" content to your smartphone, laptop, or tablet in synch with the film; it wasn't live yet when I tried to demo it. Disc 2, likewise a BD, begins with "The Batmobile" (58 mins., HD). Director Roko Belic leaves no incarnation of the eponymous vehicle unexplored in a piece that fosters new appreciation for the Joel Schumacher versions of the Batmobile. Schumacher actually contracted H.R. Giger to design the car for Batman Forever, and though that (predictably) didn't work out, the spirit of Giger's concepts informed the final product. Tim Burton and the late Anton Furst discuss their take on the Batmobile in archival footage, while Adam West appears to have adopted the senility of his loony toons "Family Guy" alter ego in a lengthy monologue about how so many fatherless "Batman" fans consider him their dad or something. The ending's a bit of a tearjerker, as Andy Smith–builder of various Batmobiles over the years, as well as a cancer survivor–takes the Tumbler on a tour of children's hospitals. He's a good egg.

Next is a feature-length making-of (111 mins., HD) divided into three sections–"Production," "Characters," "Reflections"–and several subsections within. Maddeningly, there is no Play All function, and if you want to turn on ProLogic, prepare to have to do so at the start of each segment. Those quibbles out of the way, this is an exhaustive and ultimately fulfilling documentary that breaks the film down by its set-pieces before taking a few increasingly transparent but not undeserved victory laps in honour of the Dark Knight trilogy. We learn that "The Bat" (a.k.a. the Batwing) didn't really fly (duh) but was towed around the streets on a gimbal erased in post, thus creating the floating effect. All part of Christopher Nolan's fondness for realism, the sense of mass that can't be faked digitally, which is why when it came time to dangle an airplane from another airplane he chose to composite a toy into the shot rather than resort to CGI. (And, presumably, why real NFL players were cast as the Gotham Rogues. The signage in that football scene is lingered on a bit in the applicable featurette, by the way, and it's cheese of that rare "Mutant Cure Here" variety.) The surprise of these featurettes for me personally was not the proof of Nolan's DeMille-ian grandeur but hearing Jonathan "Jonah" Nolan speak in a voice that does not match his brother's British accent–well, that and costume designer Lindy Hemming's declaration that Anne Hathaway's Catwoman outfit is "not sexual." Try telling that to my penis, especially during an IMAX screening.

Rounding out the set is a batch of trailers for The Dark Knight Rises, in HD and DD 5.1. The second one, new to me, is most effective, even after you've seen the movie a couple of times. A DVD copy of The Dark Knight Rises comes bundled with the Blu-ray.

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*Why not shoot the whole thing in IMAX? According to Nolan in the supplementals, the noisy cameras can interfere with performance. And we know what happens when you distract Christian Bale with camera nonsense.

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63 Comments

  1. D. Ray

    Is it even worth seeing the movie in 35mm?

  2. D. Ray

    Is it even worth seeing the movie in 35mm?

  3. D. Ray

    Is it even worth seeing the movie in 35mm?

  4. My first inclination is to say “no”. If you do see it in 35mm, don’t do it like we did it, in an ancient theater with an ancient projection and sound system. It’s hard enough to hear Bane as it is without reverb and distortion.
    I love the Bane character and character design. Tom Hardy is a fave. I found my enjoyment of the film greatly-improved by being able to hear his dialogue. Also, the clarity is astonishing. The theater that projected it in 70mm reinstalled their 70mm projector just for this film. (It had been removed to accommodate digital.) A large financial investment, but I feel lucky to have been able to see it as intended.

  5. My first inclination is to say “no”. If you do see it in 35mm, don’t do it like we did it, in an ancient theater with an ancient projection and sound system. It’s hard enough to hear Bane as it is without reverb and distortion.
    I love the Bane character and character design. Tom Hardy is a fave. I found my enjoyment of the film greatly-improved by being able to hear his dialogue. Also, the clarity is astonishing. The theater that projected it in 70mm reinstalled their 70mm projector just for this film. (It had been removed to accommodate digital.) A large financial investment, but I feel lucky to have been able to see it as intended.

  6. My first inclination is to say “no”. If you do see it in 35mm, don’t do it like we did it, in an ancient theater with an ancient projection and sound system. It’s hard enough to hear Bane as it is without reverb and distortion.
    I love the Bane character and character design. Tom Hardy is a fave. I found my enjoyment of the film greatly-improved by being able to hear his dialogue. Also, the clarity is astonishing. The theater that projected it in 70mm reinstalled their 70mm projector just for this film. (It had been removed to accommodate digital.) A large financial investment, but I feel lucky to have been able to see it as intended.

  7. I had an idea when reading this: is it possible that I had a more lukewarm feeling towards TDK because I’m German? Our political system is not perfect, but comparatively all right. We only had one extradited (supposed) Al Qaida member. We don’t have the death penalty, there is no discussion about torture, the police are, overall, trustworthy. We don’t argue that our chancellor should be able to kill people without due process – at most we argue the PotUS should be able to do so, and then only in the context of Bin Laden. We do have problems, even severe ones, but the climate TDK (and TDKR?) speaks to is not particularly representative for us. At most, via blogs and such, I have a view from a distance.
    So perhaps the problems in the films seem more academic to me? they don’t speak to me on a personal level. Hence I take more note of muddiness?
    Anyway, looking forward to TDKR.

  8. I had an idea when reading this: is it possible that I had a more lukewarm feeling towards TDK because I’m German? Our political system is not perfect, but comparatively all right. We only had one extradited (supposed) Al Qaida member. We don’t have the death penalty, there is no discussion about torture, the police are, overall, trustworthy. We don’t argue that our chancellor should be able to kill people without due process – at most we argue the PotUS should be able to do so, and then only in the context of Bin Laden. We do have problems, even severe ones, but the climate TDK (and TDKR?) speaks to is not particularly representative for us. At most, via blogs and such, I have a view from a distance.
    So perhaps the problems in the films seem more academic to me? they don’t speak to me on a personal level. Hence I take more note of muddiness?
    Anyway, looking forward to TDKR.

  9. I had an idea when reading this: is it possible that I had a more lukewarm feeling towards TDK because I’m German? Our political system is not perfect, but comparatively all right. We only had one extradited (supposed) Al Qaida member. We don’t have the death penalty, there is no discussion about torture, the police are, overall, trustworthy. We don’t argue that our chancellor should be able to kill people without due process – at most we argue the PotUS should be able to do so, and then only in the context of Bin Laden. We do have problems, even severe ones, but the climate TDK (and TDKR?) speaks to is not particularly representative for us. At most, via blogs and such, I have a view from a distance.
    So perhaps the problems in the films seem more academic to me? they don’t speak to me on a personal level. Hence I take more note of muddiness?
    Anyway, looking forward to TDKR.

  10. Stephanie

    Yeah, I knew you’d love it, Walter. Despite the fact that Batman is not really Batman. But is Batman ever really Batman now? Oooh, so post-modern. Topical, even.
    Nolan pushed it with DK, but it turns out he understands the power of superheroes at myth making, it’s just that he’s totally not really interested in telling their stories, but rather using it to dupe people into listening to his own pontifications on current events! Shazam.

  11. Stephanie

    Yeah, I knew you’d love it, Walter. Despite the fact that Batman is not really Batman. But is Batman ever really Batman now? Oooh, so post-modern. Topical, even.
    Nolan pushed it with DK, but it turns out he understands the power of superheroes at myth making, it’s just that he’s totally not really interested in telling their stories, but rather using it to dupe people into listening to his own pontifications on current events! Shazam.

  12. Stephanie

    Yeah, I knew you’d love it, Walter. Despite the fact that Batman is not really Batman. But is Batman ever really Batman now? Oooh, so post-modern. Topical, even.
    Nolan pushed it with DK, but it turns out he understands the power of superheroes at myth making, it’s just that he’s totally not really interested in telling their stories, but rather using it to dupe people into listening to his own pontifications on current events! Shazam.

  13. Martin S

    I am definitely looking forward to seeing Mr. Nolan’s newest {and supposedly LAST, I hope!} entry in this topical, cerebral and thought-provoking, Wholly entertaining “superhero” trilogy! Thanks, again,Walter, for you’re concise, informative and supportive review, “academic” superimpositions and all!
    I have doubts, however, as to the wisdom of casting Anne Hathaway as the non-referenced “catwoman”: To be fair, I haven’t seen this particular actress in any recent movies I can recall and , therefore; wonder is she just one of those lazy casts for total “eye-candy” and therefore disposable? Or does she actually augment the plot and/or represent some sexual archetype {stereotype??}. I do want to see this movie in the IMAX format, and would appreciate your views on AH, Mr. Chaw and/or IS the latter-mentioned format BETTER to hear the DIALOGUE?? { what is it with Christian Bales; raspy, sometimes unintellible tone??? My one peev, ONLY, “criticism” of Mr. Nolan’s “batman” films thus far.} Have a nice weekend, everyone on this Board and I hope to see this film , well, on a “Day off” when I have no DISTRACTIONS, LOL.

  14. Martin S

    I am definitely looking forward to seeing Mr. Nolan’s newest {and supposedly LAST, I hope!} entry in this topical, cerebral and thought-provoking, Wholly entertaining “superhero” trilogy! Thanks, again,Walter, for you’re concise, informative and supportive review, “academic” superimpositions and all!
    I have doubts, however, as to the wisdom of casting Anne Hathaway as the non-referenced “catwoman”: To be fair, I haven’t seen this particular actress in any recent movies I can recall and , therefore; wonder is she just one of those lazy casts for total “eye-candy” and therefore disposable? Or does she actually augment the plot and/or represent some sexual archetype {stereotype??}. I do want to see this movie in the IMAX format, and would appreciate your views on AH, Mr. Chaw and/or IS the latter-mentioned format BETTER to hear the DIALOGUE?? { what is it with Christian Bales; raspy, sometimes unintellible tone??? My one peev, ONLY, “criticism” of Mr. Nolan’s “batman” films thus far.} Have a nice weekend, everyone on this Board and I hope to see this film , well, on a “Day off” when I have no DISTRACTIONS, LOL.

  15. Martin S

    I am definitely looking forward to seeing Mr. Nolan’s newest {and supposedly LAST, I hope!} entry in this topical, cerebral and thought-provoking, Wholly entertaining “superhero” trilogy! Thanks, again,Walter, for you’re concise, informative and supportive review, “academic” superimpositions and all!
    I have doubts, however, as to the wisdom of casting Anne Hathaway as the non-referenced “catwoman”: To be fair, I haven’t seen this particular actress in any recent movies I can recall and , therefore; wonder is she just one of those lazy casts for total “eye-candy” and therefore disposable? Or does she actually augment the plot and/or represent some sexual archetype {stereotype??}. I do want to see this movie in the IMAX format, and would appreciate your views on AH, Mr. Chaw and/or IS the latter-mentioned format BETTER to hear the DIALOGUE?? { what is it with Christian Bales; raspy, sometimes unintellible tone??? My one peev, ONLY, “criticism” of Mr. Nolan’s “batman” films thus far.} Have a nice weekend, everyone on this Board and I hope to see this film , well, on a “Day off” when I have no DISTRACTIONS, LOL.

  16. Paul

    Well some of us don’t have the option of seeing it in anything but 35mm. So for us, yeah, it’s worth seeing it in 35mm.

  17. Paul

    Well some of us don’t have the option of seeing it in anything but 35mm. So for us, yeah, it’s worth seeing it in 35mm.

  18. Paul

    Well some of us don’t have the option of seeing it in anything but 35mm. So for us, yeah, it’s worth seeing it in 35mm.

  19. Brent

    Martin S – Anne Hathaway (in my opinion, as that’s all I have to base it on) is actually a fine actress and holds her own in this film.
    Walter – I enjoyed reading your review, as always, and I agree with your points. However, what of the saccharine ending that comes close to unfolding every single thing you claim made the film great? My main critique on Nolan is his inability to remain steadfast when sending mainstream audiences down gruesome alleys.
    It’s almost as if he says, “OK, I showed you something new and unsettling. Now, instead of cementing it, I’ll knock it all down with an ending you all prefer so you can stay comfortable.” It’s a good way to sell tickets, but ultimately frustrated me when the credits rolled.

  20. Brent

    Martin S – Anne Hathaway (in my opinion, as that’s all I have to base it on) is actually a fine actress and holds her own in this film.
    Walter – I enjoyed reading your review, as always, and I agree with your points. However, what of the saccharine ending that comes close to unfolding every single thing you claim made the film great? My main critique on Nolan is his inability to remain steadfast when sending mainstream audiences down gruesome alleys.
    It’s almost as if he says, “OK, I showed you something new and unsettling. Now, instead of cementing it, I’ll knock it all down with an ending you all prefer so you can stay comfortable.” It’s a good way to sell tickets, but ultimately frustrated me when the credits rolled.

  21. Brent

    Martin S – Anne Hathaway (in my opinion, as that’s all I have to base it on) is actually a fine actress and holds her own in this film.
    Walter – I enjoyed reading your review, as always, and I agree with your points. However, what of the saccharine ending that comes close to unfolding every single thing you claim made the film great? My main critique on Nolan is his inability to remain steadfast when sending mainstream audiences down gruesome alleys.
    It’s almost as if he says, “OK, I showed you something new and unsettling. Now, instead of cementing it, I’ll knock it all down with an ending you all prefer so you can stay comfortable.” It’s a good way to sell tickets, but ultimately frustrated me when the credits rolled.

  22. Pol Pot Plant

    Thought the ending paid off beautifully. It’s like the epilogue of ‘The Dark Knight Returns’ (the last part of which the film seems heavily influenced by), only without Frank Miller’s latent fascism to spoil the afterglow.
    Thought Anne Hathaway nailed it. Nary a whiff of cheesecake here.

  23. Pol Pot Plant

    Thought the ending paid off beautifully. It’s like the epilogue of ‘The Dark Knight Returns’ (the last part of which the film seems heavily influenced by), only without Frank Miller’s latent fascism to spoil the afterglow.
    Thought Anne Hathaway nailed it. Nary a whiff of cheesecake here.

  24. Pol Pot Plant

    Thought the ending paid off beautifully. It’s like the epilogue of ‘The Dark Knight Returns’ (the last part of which the film seems heavily influenced by), only without Frank Miller’s latent fascism to spoil the afterglow.
    Thought Anne Hathaway nailed it. Nary a whiff of cheesecake here.

  25. chet

    this review is on-point. good job, Mr. Chaw.

  26. chet

    this review is on-point. good job, Mr. Chaw.

  27. chet

    this review is on-point. good job, Mr. Chaw.

  28. corym

    Just got back from seeing it and, wow, great ending to the series. I think it’s fair to say that this is the most consistent trilogy ever made. I’ll be brave and say it’s the best–or at least my favorite. I don’t think any other films have really dug into the last decade of the US like these have.
    I really do have to hand it to Tom Hardy. Bane was sort of a thankless role. It was inevitable that the character would never live up to The Joker, but Hardy gave him a…weirdness…that I can’t quite put my finger on.
    Now let’s watch DC and Warner Bros sweep this series under the rug and make every mistake that they didn’t make this time around while they build up to Justice League.

  29. corym

    Just got back from seeing it and, wow, great ending to the series. I think it’s fair to say that this is the most consistent trilogy ever made. I’ll be brave and say it’s the best–or at least my favorite. I don’t think any other films have really dug into the last decade of the US like these have.
    I really do have to hand it to Tom Hardy. Bane was sort of a thankless role. It was inevitable that the character would never live up to The Joker, but Hardy gave him a…weirdness…that I can’t quite put my finger on.
    Now let’s watch DC and Warner Bros sweep this series under the rug and make every mistake that they didn’t make this time around while they build up to Justice League.

  30. corym

    Just got back from seeing it and, wow, great ending to the series. I think it’s fair to say that this is the most consistent trilogy ever made. I’ll be brave and say it’s the best–or at least my favorite. I don’t think any other films have really dug into the last decade of the US like these have.
    I really do have to hand it to Tom Hardy. Bane was sort of a thankless role. It was inevitable that the character would never live up to The Joker, but Hardy gave him a…weirdness…that I can’t quite put my finger on.
    Now let’s watch DC and Warner Bros sweep this series under the rug and make every mistake that they didn’t make this time around while they build up to Justice League.

  31. Abhi

    Great review. But someone else needs to start captioning the photographs.

  32. Abhi

    Great review. But someone else needs to start captioning the photographs.

  33. Abhi

    Great review. But someone else needs to start captioning the photographs.

  34. Good job, Walter. I agree that the Christ references are a little too overt (sure, at one point Bale quotes directly from Bruce Almighty to Morgan Freeman!), but I would also argue that TDKR is less open to attacks of pretense than its immediate predecessor – it has a more linear structure, one that’s closer in spirit to Batman Begins, but not to the point where it’s a retread, i.e. Batman Begins Again. It can also be said, of course, that the series could have ended at TDK, that TDKR didn’t need to be made (especially with the curse of the “rule of thirds” in mind) but on the whole it was a good story, and I’m glad Nolan told it.

  35. Good job, Walter. I agree that the Christ references are a little too overt (sure, at one point Bale quotes directly from Bruce Almighty to Morgan Freeman!), but I would also argue that TDKR is less open to attacks of pretense than its immediate predecessor – it has a more linear structure, one that’s closer in spirit to Batman Begins, but not to the point where it’s a retread, i.e. Batman Begins Again. It can also be said, of course, that the series could have ended at TDK, that TDKR didn’t need to be made (especially with the curse of the “rule of thirds” in mind) but on the whole it was a good story, and I’m glad Nolan told it.

  36. Good job, Walter. I agree that the Christ references are a little too overt (sure, at one point Bale quotes directly from Bruce Almighty to Morgan Freeman!), but I would also argue that TDKR is less open to attacks of pretense than its immediate predecessor – it has a more linear structure, one that’s closer in spirit to Batman Begins, but not to the point where it’s a retread, i.e. Batman Begins Again. It can also be said, of course, that the series could have ended at TDK, that TDKR didn’t need to be made (especially with the curse of the “rule of thirds” in mind) but on the whole it was a good story, and I’m glad Nolan told it.

  37. Sincerest condolences from Australia for the shooting in your home state. That the film comments on the same anarchic despair that must have driven the gunman only makes his actions more tragic. If its not too painful or at all inappropriate, Walter’s insight might salve the dashed hope that “their nihilism and hopelessness are misplaced”.

  38. Sincerest condolences from Australia for the shooting in your home state. That the film comments on the same anarchic despair that must have driven the gunman only makes his actions more tragic. If its not too painful or at all inappropriate, Walter’s insight might salve the dashed hope that “their nihilism and hopelessness are misplaced”.

  39. Sincerest condolences from Australia for the shooting in your home state. That the film comments on the same anarchic despair that must have driven the gunman only makes his actions more tragic. If its not too painful or at all inappropriate, Walter’s insight might salve the dashed hope that “their nihilism and hopelessness are misplaced”.

  40. Darryl

    It seems to me that there is a difference between making reference to things and “taking on” things. I agree that it is a good, necessary idea to place a film in context and that is clearly happening here with the stock exchange, occupy, and even football. Cool, thumbs up.
    But how does what happens in this film qualify as “taking on” these issues? Bane suggests that the traders are criminals too… fascinating. And what are we to learn about football? That we enjoy mixing innocence and violence into a big bowl and paying $70 to watch it for a few hours?… stunning insight.
    At best I would say this movie is relevant. It is aware of the issues of the day and lets the action play out in those surroundings, which is no doubt an achievement — ambitious beyond most comic book movies. But relevance alone is not “smart”, nor is it thoughtful or insightful. Being aware of the world that surrounds it seems like a minimum requirement for a movie “for grown-ups,” not something that makes it worth a rave review.

  41. Darryl

    It seems to me that there is a difference between making reference to things and “taking on” things. I agree that it is a good, necessary idea to place a film in context and that is clearly happening here with the stock exchange, occupy, and even football. Cool, thumbs up.
    But how does what happens in this film qualify as “taking on” these issues? Bane suggests that the traders are criminals too… fascinating. And what are we to learn about football? That we enjoy mixing innocence and violence into a big bowl and paying $70 to watch it for a few hours?… stunning insight.
    At best I would say this movie is relevant. It is aware of the issues of the day and lets the action play out in those surroundings, which is no doubt an achievement — ambitious beyond most comic book movies. But relevance alone is not “smart”, nor is it thoughtful or insightful. Being aware of the world that surrounds it seems like a minimum requirement for a movie “for grown-ups,” not something that makes it worth a rave review.

  42. Darryl

    It seems to me that there is a difference between making reference to things and “taking on” things. I agree that it is a good, necessary idea to place a film in context and that is clearly happening here with the stock exchange, occupy, and even football. Cool, thumbs up.
    But how does what happens in this film qualify as “taking on” these issues? Bane suggests that the traders are criminals too… fascinating. And what are we to learn about football? That we enjoy mixing innocence and violence into a big bowl and paying $70 to watch it for a few hours?… stunning insight.
    At best I would say this movie is relevant. It is aware of the issues of the day and lets the action play out in those surroundings, which is no doubt an achievement — ambitious beyond most comic book movies. But relevance alone is not “smart”, nor is it thoughtful or insightful. Being aware of the world that surrounds it seems like a minimum requirement for a movie “for grown-ups,” not something that makes it worth a rave review.

  43. Dan

    Wow… I must have seen the wrong three Batman movies, but *especially* this last one. Not that anyone cares, but here are several adjectives I’d use if I had the inclination to write a review (and no knock on yours, Walter. It was far better than the movie):
    Clunky
    Noisy
    On-the-nose
    Inelegant
    Dreary
    Leaden
    Tedious
    Obvious
    (see also: Confusing)
    Pointlessly talky
    Poorly acted
    Badly paced
    Obtusely photographed
    Muddy
    Predictable
    Dour
    Humorless
    Verbose
    Riddled with Plot holes
    Way too fucking long
    Virtually every character acting without thinking
    Almost every single character contradicting actions and behavior in the previous films (which barely made sense then. And yes, I know I’ve fallen off the “adjective” wagon and onto the “synonym” train at this point).
    And the most egregious sin – Boring as all Hell.
    Blending action with smart, pretentious social commentary can work beautifully – if it makes even a lick of sense, and doesn’t drone us into a coma in the process. And not that it’s any validation, but all of my friends – a couple of us cinephiles, a couple your standard moviegoer – felt exactly the same. For possibly the biggest tentpole movie of all time to be this bad is utterly stupefying.
    Sam Goldwyn’s “If you want to send a message, call Western Union” line hasn’t applied better to any other film I’ve seen in recent years. Particularly because the message was incomprehensible – possibly due to delivery, probably because there was simply no clear message to begin with, no matter how badly Nolan and company wanted and worked for there to be one.

  44. Dan

    Wow… I must have seen the wrong three Batman movies, but *especially* this last one. Not that anyone cares, but here are several adjectives I’d use if I had the inclination to write a review (and no knock on yours, Walter. It was far better than the movie):
    Clunky
    Noisy
    On-the-nose
    Inelegant
    Dreary
    Leaden
    Tedious
    Obvious
    (see also: Confusing)
    Pointlessly talky
    Poorly acted
    Badly paced
    Obtusely photographed
    Muddy
    Predictable
    Dour
    Humorless
    Verbose
    Riddled with Plot holes
    Way too fucking long
    Virtually every character acting without thinking
    Almost every single character contradicting actions and behavior in the previous films (which barely made sense then. And yes, I know I’ve fallen off the “adjective” wagon and onto the “synonym” train at this point).
    And the most egregious sin – Boring as all Hell.
    Blending action with smart, pretentious social commentary can work beautifully – if it makes even a lick of sense, and doesn’t drone us into a coma in the process. And not that it’s any validation, but all of my friends – a couple of us cinephiles, a couple your standard moviegoer – felt exactly the same. For possibly the biggest tentpole movie of all time to be this bad is utterly stupefying.
    Sam Goldwyn’s “If you want to send a message, call Western Union” line hasn’t applied better to any other film I’ve seen in recent years. Particularly because the message was incomprehensible – possibly due to delivery, probably because there was simply no clear message to begin with, no matter how badly Nolan and company wanted and worked for there to be one.

  45. Dan

    Wow… I must have seen the wrong three Batman movies, but *especially* this last one. Not that anyone cares, but here are several adjectives I’d use if I had the inclination to write a review (and no knock on yours, Walter. It was far better than the movie):
    Clunky
    Noisy
    On-the-nose
    Inelegant
    Dreary
    Leaden
    Tedious
    Obvious
    (see also: Confusing)
    Pointlessly talky
    Poorly acted
    Badly paced
    Obtusely photographed
    Muddy
    Predictable
    Dour
    Humorless
    Verbose
    Riddled with Plot holes
    Way too fucking long
    Virtually every character acting without thinking
    Almost every single character contradicting actions and behavior in the previous films (which barely made sense then. And yes, I know I’ve fallen off the “adjective” wagon and onto the “synonym” train at this point).
    And the most egregious sin – Boring as all Hell.
    Blending action with smart, pretentious social commentary can work beautifully – if it makes even a lick of sense, and doesn’t drone us into a coma in the process. And not that it’s any validation, but all of my friends – a couple of us cinephiles, a couple your standard moviegoer – felt exactly the same. For possibly the biggest tentpole movie of all time to be this bad is utterly stupefying.
    Sam Goldwyn’s “If you want to send a message, call Western Union” line hasn’t applied better to any other film I’ve seen in recent years. Particularly because the message was incomprehensible – possibly due to delivery, probably because there was simply no clear message to begin with, no matter how badly Nolan and company wanted and worked for there to be one.

  46. James

    Having just rewatched the first two Nolan Batmans in preparation for this, I’m struck again by their grim grandeur and agreeable pretentiousness, but also by how on-the-nose the dialogue can be, as well as the inelegance of the direction and editing, and how many inexplicable writing shortcuts the Nolans take, most egregiously in The Dark Knight. There sequences in that film that just completely fall apart if you think about them logically. And yet the films work exceedingly well in spite of all this, but I do wish Walter at least acknowledged some of this, when he savagely rips films that commit similar offenses all the time.

  47. James

    Having just rewatched the first two Nolan Batmans in preparation for this, I’m struck again by their grim grandeur and agreeable pretentiousness, but also by how on-the-nose the dialogue can be, as well as the inelegance of the direction and editing, and how many inexplicable writing shortcuts the Nolans take, most egregiously in The Dark Knight. There sequences in that film that just completely fall apart if you think about them logically. And yet the films work exceedingly well in spite of all this, but I do wish Walter at least acknowledged some of this, when he savagely rips films that commit similar offenses all the time.

  48. James

    Having just rewatched the first two Nolan Batmans in preparation for this, I’m struck again by their grim grandeur and agreeable pretentiousness, but also by how on-the-nose the dialogue can be, as well as the inelegance of the direction and editing, and how many inexplicable writing shortcuts the Nolans take, most egregiously in The Dark Knight. There sequences in that film that just completely fall apart if you think about them logically. And yet the films work exceedingly well in spite of all this, but I do wish Walter at least acknowledged some of this, when he savagely rips films that commit similar offenses all the time.

  49. Sakshaz

    Muddled, totally confused – not just about it’s politics but also about what it wants to be, overly-ambitious, jingoistic nonsense. I don’t want my nose rubbed in the notion that Gotham is, in fact, America where illegal foreign immigrants from ‘deserty’ countries come and wreck havoc. Making Occupy Movement a direct result of a terrorist’s instigation shows where Mr. Nolan’s shares lie. Then you have the whole thing about lying to people to ‘save’them bullshit. There is nothing on screen which even remotely suggests anything satirical about these issues. Not a single word against the authority or the government?

  50. Sakshaz

    Muddled, totally confused – not just about it’s politics but also about what it wants to be, overly-ambitious, jingoistic nonsense. I don’t want my nose rubbed in the notion that Gotham is, in fact, America where illegal foreign immigrants from ‘deserty’ countries come and wreck havoc. Making Occupy Movement a direct result of a terrorist’s instigation shows where Mr. Nolan’s shares lie. Then you have the whole thing about lying to people to ‘save’them bullshit. There is nothing on screen which even remotely suggests anything satirical about these issues. Not a single word against the authority or the government?

  51. Sakshaz

    Muddled, totally confused – not just about it’s politics but also about what it wants to be, overly-ambitious, jingoistic nonsense. I don’t want my nose rubbed in the notion that Gotham is, in fact, America where illegal foreign immigrants from ‘deserty’ countries come and wreck havoc. Making Occupy Movement a direct result of a terrorist’s instigation shows where Mr. Nolan’s shares lie. Then you have the whole thing about lying to people to ‘save’them bullshit. There is nothing on screen which even remotely suggests anything satirical about these issues. Not a single word against the authority or the government?

  52. I Hate Chaw

    FFC – the only site in the world who deletes its entire archives on redesign
    FIRE YOUR DEVELOPER

  53. I Hate Chaw

    FFC – the only site in the world who deletes its entire archives on redesign
    FIRE YOUR DEVELOPER

  54. I Hate Chaw

    FFC – the only site in the world who deletes its entire archives on redesign
    FIRE YOUR DEVELOPER

  55. orangefiftysix

    If so many of you hate Walter, why do you keep trolling the site? I mean, I hate soiled diapers but I don’t keep them around to continually tell them how much I hate them.

  56. orangefiftysix

    If so many of you hate Walter, why do you keep trolling the site? I mean, I hate soiled diapers but I don’t keep them around to continually tell them how much I hate them.

  57. orangefiftysix

    If so many of you hate Walter, why do you keep trolling the site? I mean, I hate soiled diapers but I don’t keep them around to continually tell them how much I hate them.

  58. Slick McFavorite

    so, what, we’re only allowed on here to kiss his ass?

  59. Slick McFavorite

    so, what, we’re only allowed on here to kiss his ass?

  60. Slick McFavorite

    so, what, we’re only allowed on here to kiss his ass?

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